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you upon the indefensible spirit and and illusory ; being.grounded on a tendency of the demand now made fupposition of a state of things diby France. You will observe that rectly contrary to that which is France, treating in conjunction known really to exist. It being with her allies, and in their name, perfe&tly notorious that both Spain cannot, with any pretence of jul- and Holland, so far from withing tice and fairness, oppose her trea- to continue the war, were comties with them as an obstacle in the pelled by France to engage in it, way of any reasonable proposal of greatly against their own wishes; peace in which they are to be in- and to undertake, without the cluded. In a separate negotiation, means of supporting it, a contest to which they were not parties, in which they had nothing to gain, such a plea might, perhaps, have and every thing to lose. It never, been urged; but in that cafe France therefore, can be allowed to be would have been bound to offer, a question of any possible doubs, from her own means, that com- but that the directory, if they really pensation which she did not think with it, must already have obtains herself at liberty to engage to ob- ed, or could at any moment obtain, rain from her allies. And such the consent of those powers to such was, in fact, as your lordship must terms of peace as have been proremember, the principle on which posed by his majesty. If, however, his majesty offered to treat last France, from any motive of in, year, when he was really bound terest or engagement, is in truth by engagements to Austria fimilar desirous to procure for them the to those which are now alleged by reftitution of poffeffions which they France. But it never can be al-, were unable to defend, and have lowed that France, Spain, and Hol- no means to re-conquer, the proland, negotiating jointly for a jet delivered by your lordship af. peace with Great Britain, can set forded an opening for this; those up, as a bar to our just demands, articles having been so drawn as to, the treaties between themselves, leave it to France to provide a from which they are at once able compensation to his majesty, either to release each other whenever they out of her colonies, or out of those think fit.

of her allies, respetively conquerYou will further remark, thated by his majesty's arms. The even if, contrary to all reason, chaice between these alternatives such a principle could for a mo may be left to the directory; but ment have been admitted on our to refuse both is, in other words, part, still even that principle, in- to refuse all compensation. This admiffible as it is, could only apply is nevertheless expressly declared to public treaties, known to those not to be the intention of those who agreed to be governed by them, with whom you treat. It is there, and not to secret articles, unknown fore necesary that your lordship even to the French plenipotenti- should demand from them a statearies, or concealed by one of them ment of the proposals which, as from the knowledge of the others. they informed you, they have to

You will add in explicit, though make, in order to do away this apnot offensive terms, that the whole parent contradiction, which the of this pretence now set up, by king's servants are wholly unable France is intentestably frivolous to reconcile by any suggestions of

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theirs, even if it were fitting and longation of war, will really do
reasonable for them to bring for peod.
ward any new proposals immedi I am, &c.
ately after the detailed projet which

was delivered on the part of this Right Hon. Lard Malmesbury.
country at the outset of the nego-

(No. 24.) - Copy of a Dispatch from Since the projet is not acceded Lord Grenville to Lord Malmefawry, to, we have evidently, and on every dated Downing Street, Fuly 29, ground, a right to expect a counter

1797 projet, equally felt and explicit on the part of the enemy. You will My Lord, therefore state to the French mini There are two feparate points on fters diftin&tly, that the only hope which it is neceffary for me to saya of bringing this business to a fa- few words to your lord Arip, in ad. vourable conclusion, is by their dition to the instructions in my ftating at once plainly, and without other dispatch, on the general fube reserve, the whole of what they ject of negotiation. have to ask, instead of bringing The first relates to the affertion forward separate points one after of one of the French mivitters, that the other, not only contrary to the the Portuguefe fhips and troops avowed principle of the negotia were at Toulon. The faat is very tion proposed by themfelves, but, immaterial as to any conclufion that as it appears, even contrary to the could be drawn from it, to affect expeétation of the ministers them- the Gituation or just claims of the felves who are employed on the court of Lisbon; because your lord, part of France. There can be no Arip well knows, that it is a principretence for refufing a compliance ple universally recognized in the with this demand, if the plenipo. public law of Europe, that when tentiaries of France are disposed to one of the parties in a defensive forward the object of peace : and, alliance furnishes to his ally the stithe obtaining such a statement from pulated fuccours, thofe fuccours them is, as I have before stated to remain entirely at the disposal of the your lordship, a point of so much requiring party, to be employed importance, in any course which wherever he fhall judge proper, this negotiation may take, that it is subject only to the limitations of the the king's pleasure that your lord- treaty which before existed ; and if thip should use every postible en the amount of those succours is not deavour to prevent their eluding fo encreased beyond that engaged for, just a demand.

nor the means of using them exe After what has passed it is, I fear, tended by new facilities, the party very doubtful whether tych a coun- furnishing the stipulated aflistance tér' projet would be framed on is not understood io violate the laws principles such as could be adınit. of neutrality. ied here; but it would at all events But the faat, in this case, would place the business on its real illue, not bear out the affertion, even if and bring distinctly into queftion the argument to be drawn from it the several points on which the were more conclufive;' the troops conclusion of peace, or the pro. of her most Faithfut majesty hav,

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Ing been, as I apprehend, no other has prevailed, it is useful not to wife employed than in the two omit the opportunity of stating the campaigns carried on by land upon fa&ts as they really are. the southern part of the frontiers

I am, &c. of France and Spain.

(Signed) GrenviLLE, • The other point relates to what Right Hon.

Lord Malmesbury. was faid to your lordship about the treaty of Pilnitz. It would cer- (No. 25.)Extra&t of a Dispatch tainly not require much argument from Lord Malmesbury to Lord to prove that the renewal of several Grenville, dated Lifle, 25th July, treaties enumerated by name and

1797. date, and the latest of which was concluded in 1783, does not imply My Lord, & renewal of another treaty sup.

I have the honour to acknowpofed to be concluded in 1791. ledge your lord hip's dispatches, But what is more material to the Nos. 19 and 20, of the 20th inft. present case is, that your lordship which were delivered to me on SaThould take this opportunity to ex: turday the 22d inft. by the messen. plain, in the molt diftinct and un- ger Major. equivocal terms, that if any secret It was impoffible that the claim treaty was in fact concluded at the brought forward in the note ina interview at Pilnitz, between the closed in my No. 9, could have late emperor and the king of prufa produced on your lord fhip's mind ha (which is, to say the least, very any impreslion different from that doubtful in point of fact), this at which you defcribe, and I ain happy least is certain, that his majesty was to find that the conduct I observed, no party to such treaty; and not when it was first delivered to me, only was not then included in it, was such as put it in my power to but has never since adhered to it, execute with great consistency the nor even been apprised of its con- fpirited instructions your lordship tents. The publicdeclaration which now fends me. was made at that interview shews, Immediately on the arrival of on the face of it, that his majesty the meffenger, I proposed an interwas no party to it; and it is, in- view with the French plenipotentideed, notorious, that it applied to aries, and we met on Sunday tlıc circumstances which were done a. 23d, at one P. M. way long before the war broke I could not obey his majesty's out between Auftria and France, orders in a manner more likely and that the subsequent negotias" to command attention, and to imtions for the maintenance of peace press those who heard me with a between those powers turned on just sense of the mixture of firmpoints wholly distinct from those ness and moderation with which supposed to have been referred to his majesty was pleased to conduct. in the pretended treaty of Pilnitz. this important negotiation, than by

This explanation, however little employing not only the substance, connected with the prefent negotia. but, as far as was practicable in tion, seems to be called for by the converfation, the very words of allusion made to you upon the fub- your lord ship's dispatch, No. 19; ject; and, indeed, on a point on and if I should attempt to relate which so much misrepresentation minutely what I myfelf said in this


conference, it would in fact be lité ance, was either to prevent the ne tle more than a repetition of them. gotiation breaking off at all, or, if

I began by observing, that I was this was not to be prevented, to encertain the French plenipotentiaries deavour to be so clear and explicit must be fully prepared for what in my language, and to draw the I now had it in command to say : line lo diftinctiy between such faI reminded then that I had taken crifices as his majesty might be inupon me to affirm, when we were clined to make in order to restore last assembled, and immediately be- so great a blefling as peace, and fore I dispatched my mellenger, those to which the dignity of his that the requiring such a prelimi. crown and interest of his subjects nary as that proposed in the note, would never allow him to attend, was putting an end at once to all as to make it impoffible that by any Degotiation, and that I was sure future cavil or subterfuge the interpeace on such terms would not be ruption of the treaty, if unfortuheard of; that the orders I was nately it should be in'errupted, then about to communicate to them could be imputed to any other would prove that I had not made cause than the exorbitant demands this affertion lightly, or in conse- of the French goveroment; and quence of any hafty opinion of my the better to insure this purpose, I own, at the same time that it would explained to them thai his majesty also appear that my royal matter having already in a detailed pro was as anxiously and as incerely jet ftater freely and fully his con iuclined to listen to all reasonable ditions, and these conditions having and admillible conditions, as he been at once rejected by a sweeping was determined to repel and reject claim on the part of the French ail fuch as were of an oppofite de government, it was not fitting or fcription. I then, my lord, took reasonable, neither could it be exup my arguments on the precise pected, that any new proposals grounds set forth in your lordship's mould originate with his majesty: NO. 19. I neither omitted any and that on every ground the king thing, nor inserted any thing of my had a right to expect a contre-projet own, which could at all alter its from them, itating at once plainly fpirit; and I only varied from the and without reserve, the whole of Korter in as much as was neceifary 10 what they had to ask, instead of niake it applicable to a conference. bringing forward separate points,

My first object was to state, in as one afier another, directly contrary forcible a way as pollible, the utter to the principle on which we had inad nifibility of the pretention set agreed io begin the negotiation, and forrb in the note, the frivolous and which, from their being insulated, illufory reasons alleged for bringing could only tend to protract and im it forward; and I observed that, if pede iis progress. it was preserved in, it must lead to

On the first point, on the inad. this necessary conclusion, that there millibility of the preliminary con: did exift, when it was framned, an ditions as proposed by the French intention on the part of the direc- government, one of the French tory to break off the negotiation in plenipotentiaries faid, it was im. the outset. My second object in posible for them to do more than point of reasoning, though a very to take it for reference ; that the primary one in point of import- instructions they had received whea


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the directory sent them the note, the wide claim ftated in the note, were precise and positive, and that and that if I had abstained from they had received none since. He pressing him further at the moment, therefore had on that point simply it was from perceiving a reluctance to request of me, that I would state on their part to bring them for: in writing the several grounds on ward ; – that, however, if they which his majesty rejected this pro- really had such proposals to make position, in order that the report me, and if they were of a nature to transmitted by them to the direc meet in substance and effect the tory might be correct ; and he af- basis laid down in the projet I had fured me, that if I did not think it given, I should be well disposed to proper to put in writing all the listen to them. arguments I had used to them in One of the French ministers, the conference, they would have after some hesitation and a sort of no fcruple of employing those I filent reference to one of his col. omitted in such a way as was the leagues, said he thought, as matters beft calculated to give them weight, now stood, it would be much betand, to ufe the French minifter's ter to wait their answer from Paris; own expression, to place the nego- - that it was a very important petiation once more on its legs.

riod, a crisis in the negotiation, In regard to the second point, he the result of which probably would had no hefitation in agreeing with be conclusive as to its fáte, and me, that the best method, and in- that it seemed to be of more condeed the only one, which could sequence to make this result, as accelerate the whole of the business, conformable to what he hoped I was for them to give in a contre was convinced were as much their projet; neither did he attempt to

wishes as mine, than to waste our disprove our perfect right to expect time in discussions which were uses one from them before we made any less, not to say more, till this was new proposals. But he said, that ascertained. it was not necessary for him to ob I confined myself in my reply to ferve, that as long as they were saying, I had no objection what. bound by their instructions not to ever to giving to the French pleni. give way on the proposition I had potentiaries å paper, stating the now fo decidedly rejected, that it strong motives on which his mawas impoflible for them to move a jefty rejected the proposition made step without new orders from the in their note of the 15th; and that directory; that they would ask for as I, on my part, had considered these orders immediately, and lose it a duty to make my reports as no time in acquainting me when conciliatory as was confiftent with they were received.

truth and correctness, so I heard I observed, that in our last con with great pleasure the aflurances ference he had intimated to me they he gave me of their intending to were empowered to come to some observe the same line of conduět. explanation with me on the sub

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we seemed perfectly ject of compensation to be made to agreed as to the propriety of their his majesty for the great cessions he producing a contre-projet, I had nowas disposed to make ; that, at the thing to say on ihit point, except time, I conceived these explana- to express my most sincere with tions were of a nature to qualify that it would soon appear, and


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